| \# -- """" "We no longer dare to believe in beauty, and we make of it a mere appearance in order the more easily to dispose of it. Our situation today shows that beauty demands for itself at least as much courage and decision as do truth and goodness, and She will not allow Herself to be separated and banned from Her two sisters without taking them along with Herself in an act of mysterious vengeance." -- -- Hans Urs Von Balthasar -- 1905-1988 -- ---- ---- ---- ---- | | | % |

| \# -- """" -- "Angela has all this fairy-like illumination -- and while she grows accustomed slow and mute and majestic and extremely delicate and fatal -- to being a woman -- she's too modest for it, too fleeting to be defined. she told me that once on the street she approached an officer -- and explained that she did so because he should know about things and to top it off was armed, which filled her with respect. so she said to the officer: sir, could you tell me, if you please, when does springtime begin? Angela is mad. but she has a mathematical logic in her apparent madness. and She has a lot of fun, that scandalous creature. she gets too keen and then doesn’t know what to do with herself. to Hell with her. between the "yes" and the "no" there is only one way: choosing. Angela chose "yes." She is so free that one day she’ll end up in jail. "In jail for what?" "For excessive freedom." "But isn’t that freedom innocent?" "Yes. even naive." "So why prison?" "Because freedom offends."" -- -- from "a breath of life" -- novel by clarice lispector ---- ---- ---- ---- """" | | | % |

| \# -- "two roads diverged in a yellow wood, and sorry i could not travel both and be one traveler, long i stood and looked down one as far as i could to where it bent in the undergrowth; then took the other, as just as fair, and having perhaps the better claim, because it was grassy and wanted wear; though as for that the passing there had worn them really about the same, and both that morning equally lay in leaves no step had trodden black. oh, i kept the first for another day yet knowing how way leads on to way, i doubted if i should ever come back. i shall be telling this with a sigh somewhere ages and ages hence: two roads diverged in a wood, and i-- i took the one less traveled by, and that has made all the difference." -- -- robert frost -- ---- ---- ---- ---- | | | % |

| \# -- "he wanted to sing, to sing, to forget his true life of lies and remember his lying life of truths." "quiso cantar, cantar, para olvidar su vida verdadera de mentiras y recordar su mentirosa vida de verdades" -- -- octavio paz ((1914-1998 c.e., mexico)) ---- ---- ---- ---- | | | % |

| \# -- "tell me, brother, how can i renounce maya? when i gave up the tying of ribbons, still i tied my garment about me. when i gave up tying my garment, still i covered my body in its folds. so, when i give up passion, l see that anger remains and when i renounce anger, greed is with me still; and when greed is vanquished, pride and vainglory remain; when the mind is detached and casts maya away, still it clings to the letter. Kabir says. "listen to me, dear friend! the true path is rarely found." the moon shines in my body, but my blind eyes cannot see it. the moon is within me, and so is the sun. the unstruck drum of eternity is sounded within me; but my deaf ears cannot hear it." -- -- Kabir, sufi mystic poet, 1398-1518 c.e., bharata/present-day india ---- ---- ---- -- | | | % |

| \# -- "the garden of rizvan that the ascetic praises so much, for us self-less ones, it’s a single bouquet in the niche of forgetfulness. how to describe the piercing power of her eyelashes? all my blood drops are strung into coral prayer beads. not even the murderer’s grandeur silenced my laments-- the straw that i took in my teeth became a reed flute. i will show you a spectacle, if the times give me leisure-- every heart wound is the seed from which grows a tree of lights. your glory made of the mirror chamber what a sunray would make of a world of dew. my construction includes one particular aspect of ruin. the essence of the lightning that burns the harvest is the hot blood of the farmer. weeds have sprung up all over my house -- just look at the desolation. the doorkeeper now earns his living selling straw. hidden in silence, turned to blood, are thousands of longings, i am the burnt-out, tongueless lamp of a poor man’s grave. there still remains a single ray of the image of the thought of the beloved, the bleak heart is, so to speak, the empty cell of joseph’s prison. tonight you sleep somewhere by the other’s side -- why else would you come into my dream with hidden smiles? no telling how many will have had their blood turned to water-- it’s a doomsday, when your eyelashes are wet with tears. in our gaze is the path of the road of oblivion, ghalib, for this is the binding string of the scattered pages of the world." -- -- ghalib , sufi mystic poet ,  ((1797-1869 c.e., bharata/present-day india) ---- ---- ---- ---- | | | % |

| "what would be the rough monthly cloud costs to run a dedicated private cloud server with multiple AMD Ryzen CPU + AMD Radeon GPU distributed configuration so that there's at least 400GB of total GPU RAM and I would be choosing for the cloud server(s) to be located in the western United States? My intention is I want to run a private dedicated AI server for self-hosting your largest Deepseek R1 open model with the most parameters, I believe over 600 billion with a model size of over 400 gigabytes, is that right? You may give me price comparisons between those common providers in the form of estimated monthly cost, and you may phrase these cost numbers in terms of the currently well understood state of the industry when it comes to startup cloud AI expenses for self-hosted AI web applications" "Running a **private dedicated cloud server** with **400GB+ total GPU RAM** for hosting large AI models like DeepSeek-R1 in the western US involves significant costs. Below is a detailed cost breakdown based on current industry pricing (Q3 2024), along with technical considerations: --- ### **Key Technical Requirements** 1. **GPU VRAM**: ≥400 GB total (e.g., 10× RTX 6000 Ada [48GB each] or 5× A100 80GB). 2. **CPU**: Multi-core AMD Ryzen 9 or EPYC (matches AMD GPU preference). 3. **RAM**: ≥800 GB system RAM (2× GPU VRAM). 4. **Storage**: 2–4 TB NVMe SSD (for 400GB+ model + datasets). 5. **Network**: 10–100 Gbps dedicated bandwidth. 6. **Location**: US West (Oregon/N. California). --- ### **Monthly Cost Estimates (Western US)** | **Provider** | **Configuration** | **Monthly Cost** | |---------------------|---------------------------------------------------|------------------| | **AWS** | 10x `g5.48xlarge` (8x A10G = 192GB VRAM) ❌
+ **A100 Custom** (8x A100 80GB = 640GB VRAM) | $12,000 – $35,000+ | | **Google Cloud** | 5x `a2-ultragpu-8g` (8x A100 80GB = 640GB VRAM) | $30,000 – $40,000 | | **Azure** | 5x `ND96amsr_A100_v4` (8x A100 80GB + AMD EPYC) | $28,000 – $36,000 | | **Lambda Labs** | 10x RTX 6000 Ada (480GB VRAM) + Dual EPYC | $15,000 – $20,000 | | **CoreWeave** | 5x H100 80GB (400GB VRAM) + Custom AMD EPYC | $25,000 – $35,000 | > ⚠️ **Note**: **AMD Radeon GPU servers are extremely rare** in public clouds. NVIDIA (A100/H100) dominates due to CUDA/cuDNN support. AMD GPUs would require custom setups (not cost-effective). --- ### **Cost Drivers & Realities** 1. **GPU Costs**: - A100 80GB: ~$2.50–$3.50/hr → **$1,800–$2,500/month per GPU**. - 400GB VRAM ≈ 5x A100 80GB ($9k–$12.5k/month) or 10x RTX 6000 Ada ($7k–$10k/month). 2. **AMD Hardware Limitations**: - No major cloud offers AMD Radeon GPUs for AI (poor ROCm ecosystem support). - Ryzen CPUs are rare in cloud servers; EPYC is standard (AWS/Azure offer AMD CPU options). 3. **DeepSeek-R1 Model Reality**: - The largest DeepSeek-R1 is **67B parameters** (~260GB FP32, **~130GB in 8-bit quantized**). - *No 600B-parameter model exists* (confusion with Gemini/Mixtral?). - **400GB VRAM is overkill** for DeepSeek-R1; 200–300GB suffices for larger 70B-120B models. --- ### **Recommendations for Cost Efficiency** 1. **Use Quantized Models**: - 8-bit quantization reduces VRAM needs by 50% (e.g., 70B model fits in 140GB VRAM). 2. **Hybrid Cloud**: - Reserve 1–3 year commitments (AWS/Azure: 40–60% savings). 3. **Consider Inferencing Optimizers**: - vLLM or TensorRT-LLM improve throughput → fewer GPUs needed. 4. **Alternative Providers**: - **Lambda Labs**: $1.50/hr for RTX 6000 Ada (48GB) → 10x GPUs = $10,800/month. - **Vast.ai** (Spot): ~$0.75/hr for A100 80GB → 5x GPUs = ~$2,700/month (unreliable for production). --- ### **Realistic Monthly Budget** | **Scenario** | **Provider** | **Estimated Cost** | |---------------------------|--------------|-------------------| | **Production (Stable)** | AWS / Azure | $18,000 – $28,000 | | **Budget (Spot/Preemptible)** | Vast.ai/Lambda | $8,000 – $15,000 | | **AMD DIY (Colocation)** | Custom Build | $6,000–$10,000* | > *DIY: Includes colocation ($500/month) + 10x AMD MI250 (384GB VRAM) @ $40k hardware amortized over 3 years. **Not recommended** due to driver/software hurdles. --- ### **Summary** - **Minimum realistic cost**: **$8,000–$12,000/month** for a 200–400GB VRAM cluster (using spot/preemptible instances). - **Dedicated production-grade**: **$20,000–$35,000/month**. - **AMD GPUs are impractical**—opt for NVIDIA A100/H100 to avoid toolchain issues. - **Scale down**: Use model quantization + smaller clusters. DeepSeek-R1 runs on **2x A100 80GB** ($3k/month). For a startup, start with smaller instances (e.g., 1–2 GPUs) and scale as traffic grows. Consider serverless options (Banana.dev, Beam) for lower fixed costs." | | | % | (deepthink r1 AI cloud frontier model 2025-08-17--1155--usawest) -- ---- ---- ---- ----